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Speaking at the annual 蜜柚直播-Mexico Commission, Pavlovich said much of the rhetoric surrounds the issue of security and public safety in the border area between the two countries. But she said there鈥檚 a downside when it starts resulting in threats.

鈥淲hen you do that, you create an uncertainty among the society and among business people that generate richness and generate money and improve the economy,鈥� she said. In fact, Pavlovich said that such talk can be counter-productive to the goal of stemming migration.

鈥淵ou are attracting what you don鈥檛 want,鈥� the Sonora governor said, causing more desperate people to flee their countries.

Her comments come on the heels of President Trump saying he would close the border unless Mexico did more to stem the flow of migrants from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, before backing down. That scenario was repeated more recently with a vow by Trump 鈥� since rescinded 鈥� to impose tariffs of up to 25% on imports from Mexico.

蜜柚直播 Gov. Doug Ducey, for his part, sought to downplay those threats.

鈥淭here are no tariffs,鈥� he told commission members. 鈥淭here has been no border closure.鈥�

But Pavlovich, in Phoenix as part of the commission鈥檚 role in promoting business in both border states, said those threats by themselves undermine the business environment of both states.

鈥淚f you tell everybody that something is going to happen that is going to affect the economy of the country, of both countries, it becomes something like a fear where they don鈥檛 want to make more business, they don鈥檛 want to invest more,鈥� she explained later to Capitol Media Services. 鈥淭hey don鈥檛 want to create more jobs because they expect what is going to happen.鈥�

And that, in turn, creates its own migrant flow, saying such fears result in people fleeing where they live 鈥渂ecause they don鈥檛 know whether they鈥檙e going to have a job.鈥�

鈥淣obody leaves the country because they want,鈥� Pavlovich said. 鈥淭hey leave the country because they don鈥檛 have opportunities.鈥�

The whole question of those threats from the Trump administration has put Ducey in a tough position.

Ducey repeated Friday that he opposes tariffs and that he鈥檚 a supporter of free trade. In fact, Ducey said he sees tariffs as taxes, a description the president has dismissed.

Yet when Trump threatened to impose tariffs earlier this year, the 蜜柚直播 governor said he would back the president, saying he finds public safety more important than any economic hit.

Ducey said, though, that those threats by the Trump administration had the desired results.

鈥淚t was to accomplish action on the part of our Congress,鈥� he said, specifically mentioning the approval this week of a $4.6 billion border aid package. And then there were agreements that the Trump administration announced of Mexico agreeing to do more to stem the flow of migrants.

鈥淢exico acted first, so the border did not close,鈥� Ducey said. 鈥淭he tariffs did not go into place.鈥�

One issue on which the governors appear to disagree is the question of what steps Mexico should take to keep migrants from getting into that country.

鈥淚 know that there鈥檚 a lot of discussion around the United States southern border,鈥� he said. 鈥淲e ought to have an equal focus on Mexico鈥檚 southern border.鈥�

Pavlovich, however, said she sees the issue through a different lens, being the fourth generation of migrants to Mexico from Europe. She said there needs to be respect for the laws.

鈥淏ut more than anything, respect for human rights,鈥� Pavlovich said.

鈥淓very person has a right to go in search of their happiness,鈥� she said. 鈥淧erhaps I am seeing it because I am closer to the migrant.鈥�

Her great-grandparents, Pavlovich said, came to work and created many jobs.

鈥淪o the fourth generation of these people right now is the governor, the first female governor of Sonora,鈥� she said. 鈥淪o I do believe a great deal in the ability of people to move.鈥�

What people also are entitled to, Pavlovich, is 鈥渁 life with dignity,鈥� with governments in both countries having a responsibility to create economic opportunities.

The Sonora governor made the same points in her comments.

鈥淭he most important thing for us is people,鈥� she said. 鈥淚t doesn鈥檛 matter where they come from. It doesn鈥檛 matter where they go.鈥�

Ducey said there are reasons that, despite the rhetoric out of Washington, that people should be confident in investing in the region, including in businesses that operate on both sides of the border. The key, he said, is the relationship he has with Pavlovich.

鈥淚t鈥檚 not just a relationship that鈥檚 grown into a warm friendship,鈥� Ducey said. 鈥淚t鈥檚 also a business relationship that has brought results to both of our states.鈥�

A prime example, he said, is Lucid Motors, which chose to set up shop in Pinal County and get some of the parts for the electric cars it intends to build there from Mexico. Ducey said the company looked at 60 different markets in 13 states 鈥渁nd chose 蜜柚直播 because of the relationship that we have.鈥�